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Traveller-digest    Thursday, December 30 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1607<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
Re: UNIXes<BR>
Re: art and attraction<BR>
Re: OT Gunbunny notice<BR>
Re: Gunnery<BR>
Re: Keyboard kills & misc<BR>
deckplans list<BR>
Re: deckplans list <BR>
PNG graphics info<BR>
Re: GURPS:Trav ships<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
RE: 3I Sports<BR>
Re: Common Law<BR>
Re: Art and attraction<BR>
Re: Santanocheev, the man...<BR>
Re: Santanocheev, the man...[long]<BR>
re:  thanks to all<BR>
RE: Sac'to? (Was Re: SF Trav game)<BR>
RE: Gone for the holidays, and 1yr anniversary<BR>
RE: Sac'to? (Was Re: SF Trav game)<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:27:28 -0800<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>Chimpanzees are _hard_ to get for medical purposes, and they're<BR>
_expensive_.  And they're monitored like crazy.  Once Mr. Scholar's female<BR>
chimp is pregnant, she'd almost certainly be withdrawn from whatever study<BR>
she's actually supposed to be in.  Thus Mr. Scholar, MD-PhD, is going to<BR>
hurt another one of his projects, or one of his peers... who will certainly<BR>
be eager to find out who's been screwing with his work.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
Dammit Kenji!!!  I have to pay for the keyboards at home MYSELF!  :)<BR>
<BR>
LOL.<BR>
<BR>
But he's right.  I am the one who fills out all the CAR (Committee on Animal<BR>
Research) paperwork for several PI's.  The monitoring requirements for mice<BR>
and rats are pretty staggering.  Chimps are HELLA expensive and are very<BR>
tightly monitored.  Scientists working with animals also have lab assistants<BR>
and other people who handle the animals.  After all, they really don't have<BR>
time to shovel shit and they're not veterinarians.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan      93!      Thou Art God...<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is<BR>
sacred somewhere.  There's<BR>
a deity out there who digs it.  You can respect and love your darkest side,<BR>
disposing of only what is obsolete or impractical.  It's all about giving<BR>
yourself permission."<BR>
                                -- Jack Darkhand<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:31:09 -0500<BR>
From: "Swordy \(Colin Michael\)" <swordworlder@clinic.net><BR>
Subject: Re: UNIXes<BR>
<BR>
Then there is System 10, which is a Linux distribution ;-)<BR>
<BR>
- - Crusty<BR>
<BR>
===================<BR>
Sword-Worlds Linux<BR>
  "Saving Your Pasty Hides from Virus!"<BR>
<BR>
(visualize a box depicting penguins with horns)<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
> >>There was a Linux project for mac emulation[1], but I haven't heard the<BR>
> >>penguins peep about it since 1997.<BR>
<BR>
> >Doesn't Apple have a MacOS emulator for UNIX called A/UX or something<BR>
> >like that?<BR>
<BR>
> A/UX was Apple's UNIX implementation (or rather, impersonation), which was<BR>
a<BR>
> native UNIX which could also call the stuff in the Apple ROMs. It got<BR>
dropped<BR>
> in the early 90's in favour of AIX, which was in turn dropped shortly<BR>
before<BR>
> Jobs came back on board.<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:32:40 -0500<BR>
From: "Swordy \(Colin Michael\)" <swordworlder@clinic.net><BR>
Subject: Re: art and attraction<BR>
<BR>
Hopefully we all remember this well, since Jamison has been with us since<BR>
1977!<BR>
<BR>
- -Crusty<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Mark Urbin" <eclipse@ultranet.com><BR>
> Kenji puts forth on the Ether:<BR>
>  >I will wait breathlessly for the first Traveller art to depict the<BR>
>  >Intrepid Adventurers with potbellies and cellulite.<BR>
><BR>
> My copy of "The Traveller Book" has an illustration of the sample<BR>
character<BR>
> Merchant Captain Alexander Jamison.<BR>
> The face is drawn rather heavyset.  Full cheeks, thick neck and the top<BR>
> part of a large torso.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:44:04 -0500<BR>
From: Kurt Feltenberger <kurt@blazenet.net><BR>
Subject: Re: OT Gunbunny notice<BR>
<BR>
At 05:03 PM 12/30/1999 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
>FWIW I'm sure some of you (Jesse?) will be pleased to know that BAEsystems <BR>
>has signed a letter of agreement with Colt Manufacturing to sell them H&K.<BR>
<BR>
Pleased?  Pissed is more like it.  According to Colt's press release they <BR>
will cease handgun sales to the public if they acquire HK.  I wish BAE <BR>
would tell the Iraqi scumbag that owns Colt's what the Belgian's told him <BR>
when he tried to snatch FN...Get lost and take that nag you rode in on with <BR>
you.<BR>
<BR>
And to think, Colt's just laid off 200+ employees because they we're so far <BR>
in debt...<BR>
<BR>
Sorry about the rant...<BR>
<BR>
Kurt<BR>
(Glad my rifle says "Armalite" instead of Colt!)<BR>
<BR>
Kurt Feltenberger<BR>
<BR>
"To our Country! In her intercourse with foreign nations,<BR>
    may she always be in the right, but our country, right or wrong!"<BR>
      ~Stephen Decatur<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
mailto:kurt@blazenet.net<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:59:27 -0500<BR>
From: "Terry Carlino" <carlino@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Gunnery<BR>
<BR>
>> "If your scenario calls for large quantities of children, a deck<BR>
dedicated<BR>
>> to play may be necessary. Playrooms should be designed with an eye toward<BR>
>> teaching survival skills to groups of different ages, and they must be<BR>
fun."<BR>
><BR>
>One world's "survival skills" is quick way to get *very* dead on<BR>
>another world.<BR>
<BR>
Certainly true. However the concept isn't bad. Children on shipboard will<BR>
definitely need to know survival skills not necessary for their planet bond<BR>
brethren.  What do they do on a loss of gravity? A loss of power? And what<BR>
do they do in the case of a vacuum leak? They better know. A child as young<BR>
as five better know how to climb into a Rescue Ball. A ten year old should<BR>
know how to use a vac suit (if they regularly live on a ship or on a world<BR>
without a breathable atmosphere.)  They should know how to operate an<BR>
airlock and when it's safe to go outside on a strange planet and when the<BR>
indicating lights on the airlock say it's not safe. They should know how to<BR>
operate the ship's communication system and the computer (which should have<BR>
guards to prevent them from doing anything that will endanger the ship.)<BR>
They should know where and the ship they aren't allowed to go (most likely<BR>
the engineering sections and possibly the bridge/control room.)  Really<BR>
young children will probably require constant attention (which they need<BR>
anyway) and be limited to a few rooms that have been "child safed". Older<BR>
children will probably have chores necessary to ship operation (very much<BR>
like farm children), especially on a working trader.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Terry C<BR>
All that is Gold does not glitter<BR>
Not all who travel are lost<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 10:12:53 -0800<BR>
From: Evyn MacDude <wmacdude@worldnet.att.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard kills & misc<BR>
<BR>
Kenji Schwarz wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Frank Pitt wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> > > > Shuddering Thought:   Norris in a sexy skintight leotard.<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > And the ducal feather boa, let's not forget!<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Never understood why you'd want a feather boa, I prefer the scaly ones<BR>
> > myself<BR>
> ><BR>
> > It's the cod-piece that really makes the outfit though.<BR>
><BR>
> Huh?... Oh!  Ye gods!  I assume this would bear the crest of the Duke of<BR>
> Regina, a unicorn?<BR>
<BR>
Just the Horn.....<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
The theme of the whole thing is clear. We have to be careful with wisdom. We<BR>
have to make certain we're ready for it when it comes knocking on our door.<BR>
Knowledge isn't always a blessing;<BR>
    sometimes, it's damnation.<BR>
Play Dirty: Let's All Go to the Movies!, by John Wick<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:13:24 -0500<BR>
From: "Eric Freitas" <ericfrei@gte.net><BR>
Subject: deckplans list<BR>
<BR>
Where, Oh Where, has the deckplans list gone?....<BR>
<BR>
Eric<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:33:25 -0700<BR>
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@ctaz.com><BR>
Subject: Re: deckplans list <BR>
<BR>
> Where, Oh Where, has the deckplans list gone?....<BR>
<BR>
Onelist.<BR>
<BR>
Still active, I think...<BR>
<BR>
Just checked it.  Still up at deckplans@onelist.com.<BR>
<BR>
Keven<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
tc++ tm+ tn+ t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy<BR>
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure<BR>
                                                     In Reavers' Deep<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 10:50:53 -0800<BR>
From: Russell Bornschlegel <kaleja@estarcion.com><BR>
Subject: PNG graphics info<BR>
<BR>
Apropos of the recent discussions, anyone interested in more <BR>
information about PNG would do well to check out:<BR>
<BR>
http://www.graphicswiz.com/png/<BR>
<BR>
It includes both a brief and a detailed history of the development<BR>
of the format, a bullet-point list of its features, and lots of <BR>
technical info.<BR>
<BR>
- -Russell B<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:59:11 -0500<BR>
From: "Michael Peters" <travelleri@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: GURPS:Trav ships<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Terry Carlino <carlino@home.com><BR>
To: Traveller Mailing list <traveller@mpgn.com><BR>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 12:26 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: GURPS:Trav ships<BR>
<snipped><BR>
<BR>
> Not a bad way to make the players sweat.<BR>
> My preference would be to go with a more reality based scenario. For<BR>
example<BR>
> if the upgrade was done at a reputable shipyard then a Naval Architect<BR>
would<BR>
> have had to do the designs (Cha-Ching). He would most certainly notify the<BR>
> customer that the ship would be under powered, and require a bigger power<BR>
> plant (Cha-Ching), resulting in loss of cargo space. Should the players<BR>
> decide to go ahead with the design without the upgrade then there's no way<BR>
> that the TAS and shipyard inspectors would pass the ships as safe for use<BR>
in<BR>
> Imperial space. Of course they might be amiable to convincing (Cha-Ching).<BR>
> And of course, unauthorized and illegal modifications to a vessel still<BR>
> under mortgage could cause the bank to determine that the loan was in<BR>
> default and cause a skip agent or two to visit to reclaim the vessel. Then<BR>
> play out the attack. The fact that they'd been warned won't make them feel<BR>
> any better, especially if the Architect is sufficiently vague about what<BR>
> "underpowered" means.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> Terry C<BR>
<BR>
Well, I hadn't thought of this (which has now been snipped into my nasty GM<BR>
file!), but my way worked out OK in any rate. I tend to run "edge of<BR>
Imperium or beyond" games. I like the freedom of being able to ignore canon<BR>
historical events. Technology stays canon (with the occational intruder or<BR>
artifact thrown in), but I can always ignore canon history since the<BR>
information lag may have caused it to be only a small articals in local<BR>
papers. At the time the PCs were at one of the few starports in their area<BR>
of operation (and nearly as shady as an oak tree). Since tha law was a<BR>
thinly spread as everything else, the use of weapons by civilian ships was<BR>
more the rule than the exception, and documentation wasn't the imperative on<BR>
the frontier that it is in the Interior.<BR>
<BR>
Mike<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 10:58:52 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>> I'd be interested also.<BR>
>><BR>
>> I've got a program that will strip comments out of GIF files, but it<BR>
>> *destroys* animated GIFs (the output file only has the first image). It<BR>
>> also strip the "garbage" that tends to get tacked onto the end of GIF<BR>
>> files after being sent via things like xmodem.<BR>
><BR>
> Ah, that's a point, I don't know if the one I've got will handle animated<BR>
> gifs, it's quite an old program.<BR>
> So a warning to Nick, and anyone else, it might kill animated gifs.<BR>
<BR>
So make a copy of that animated file *before* trying to modify it.<BR>
<BR>
> It's called gc.exe.<BR>
> Shall I send you a copy or not,  Leonard ?<BR>
<BR>
Sure, go ahead. <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:56:06 -0000<BR>
From: "Mark Preston" <mark@mpreston.demon.co.uk><BR>
Subject: RE: 3I Sports<BR>
<BR>
Maybe, like me, he was so impressed by the series that he kept the<BR>
videotapes.<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
[mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Nick<BR>
Bradbeer<BR>
Sent: 30 December 1999 00:47<BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
Subject: Re: 3I Sports<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>Do you mean 'Edge of Darkness', the BBC TV series about illicit<BR>
>plutonium production by a formerly state owned nuclear fuel company<BR>
>bought by US venture capital?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Now, I wonder why you remember that?<BR>
<BR>
NB<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:42:22 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Common Law<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
<BR>
>I take it that Glen is an attorney at law.  One of <BR>
>the problems that he faces is that he was trained in <BR>
>a "modern" law school. I mean NO disrepect to Glen, <BR>
>it is not his fault that most law schools no longer <BR>
>cover Common Law properly.  I understand that many <BR>
>law schools no longer even offer a constitution law <BR>
>class.<BR>
<BR>
You're right that I'm an attorney and went to a modern<BR>
law school.  I'm not sure what you mean by "cover[ing]<BR>
Common Law properly."  Law schools teach the common<BR>
law and legal history to people who are going to be<BR>
practicing in the present day.  More academic legal<BR>
education can be obtained through graduate school<BR>
programs leading to LL.M. or LL.D. degrees, or a Ph.D.<BR>
in legal history.<BR>
<BR>
I'm sure that every law school offers constitutional<BR>
law, if only because that is a subject tested on the<BR>
bar exam, both the multi-state portion and every<BR>
individual state's portion.  <BR>
<BR>
>Believe it or not, the very topic of this thread can <BR>
>make for some excellent (and educational) adventures <BR>
>for your favorite PCs.<BR>
<BR>
Agreed!<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:45:22 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Art and attraction<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
<BR>
>>And we could get over pretending that we are all <BR>
>>Vulcans who choose our mates by logic.<BR>
>I _did_ choose my mate logically .  I couldn't live <BR>
>without her, so the logical thing to do was to live <BR>
>with her!<BR>
<BR>
Logic will encounter some difficulty, I suppose, when<BR>
empirical evidence in one's own life begins to prove<BR>
the truth of the axiom, "you can't live with them and<BR>
you can't live without them."<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:08:09 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Santanocheev, the man...<BR>
<BR>
>From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
<BR>
>Alan Bradley wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>> Anyway, IMTU I've hypothesised that Santanocheev<BR>
>>has a son, Captain Roderick "Roddy" Santanocheev.  <BR>
>>He's a good officer, whose career, unfortunately has<BR>
<BR>
>>been heavily influenced by politics.  <BR>
<BR>
[In the late 1970s there was a bar in Boise, Idaho,<BR>
called Dirty Little Roddy's.  I wonder...]<BR>
<BR>
>Here's an even more unpleasant [IMHO] idea<BR>
<BR>
>Young Captain Santanocheev might be obsessed with the<BR>
<BR>
>idea of proving that his rank is not merely a result <BR>
>of having a well-connected father. <BR>
<BR>
I like this son of Santanocheev thread.  Here's how I<BR>
might handle it:<BR>
<BR>
Imperial Navy Headquarters<BR>
Regina/Regina<BR>
037-1108<BR>
0745 hrs<BR>
<BR>
"Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for coming.  First<BR>
picture, please.  This is Captain Roderick<BR>
Santanocheev, Imperial Navy, commanding the INS<BR>
Stalking Cheetah, attached to 608 Squadron of the<BR>
193rd Fleet.  Yes, he is the oldest son of Admiral<BR>
Santanocheev.<BR>
<BR>
"When the fleet ordered him to stand down upon<BR>
execution of the armistice agreement between the<BR>
Imperium and Outworld Coalition, Captain Santanocheev<BR>
refused, stating that the armistice was a sell-out of<BR>
the citizens of the Marches.  Next picture.  He jumped<BR>
with his ship and another cruiser of his squadron, the<BR>
Flying Jaguar.  This picture is the Cheetah.  <BR>
<BR>
"Next picture.  Here is his last message to the fleet,<BR>
stating that he was taking the war back to the<BR>
Zhodanis, and concluding 'I shall return.'<BR>
<BR>
"The Zhodanis have advised us that their forces in the<BR>
Demilitarized Zone have recently been attacked by two<BR>
Imperial Navy cruisers that refused to acknowledge<BR>
transmission of the armistice agreement.  Zhodani<BR>
sensor records -- next picture please -- have allowed<BR>
us to identify these ships as the Cheetah and Jaguar.<BR>
<BR>
"The Zhodanis have stated that they will resume a<BR>
state of war if these ships are not stopped.  We<BR>
believe that the Zhodanis intend to try to capture<BR>
Captain Santanocheev and use statements that he will<BR>
make as a justification for resumption of hostilities.<BR>
<BR>
"Your mission is to get to Captain Santanocheev first<BR>
and terminate his command.  With extreme prejudice,<BR>
you understand?  We don't have the resources or,<BR>
frankly, the political will, to send a fleet after<BR>
him, and the Zhodanis may well believe that a fleet<BR>
incursion is actually an act of aggression against<BR>
them.  So your Emperor is relying on you to keep the<BR>
peace.  Good luck."<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:10:28 -0600<BR>
From: Dan Roseberry <rosebee@troi.csw.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Santanocheev, the man...[long]<BR>
<BR>
Glenn Goffin writes:<BR>
<snipt>(I've forgotten his noble status, if<BR>
>any; is there an official UPP for Santanocheev?).<BR>
<BR>
I haven't found any, but I'll take a stab at what his Soc<BR>
might be. Santanochev is regular IN; so he either enlists<BR>
and goes through OCS or he goes through the Naval<BR>
Academy. The enlist/OCS route implies to me that allot<BR>
of work ethic would be involved; not something that I<BR>
would think Santanocheev would be into. OTOH, getting<BR>
a commission through the Naval Academy looks good on<BR>
the resume. A pc needs SOC 8 to even try to get into<BR>
the Academy. His promotions from 'Rear Admiral' to Sector<BR>
Admiral over two years would indicate to me at least 2<BR>
tours as a Naval Attach (+1 SOC, and promotion). Assuming<BR>
no other additions to SOC, the absolute minimum SOC for<BR>
Santanocheev would be 10.<BR>
<BR>
Of course its hard to get into the Academy on SOC 8. In<BR>
addition, Santanocheev is going out of his way to move up<BR>
in the 3I, so figure at least an extra +1 SOC from moving<BR>
with his 'political and social connections'. That's SOC A to<BR>
start, with +2 SOC (N Attach) and +1 SOC from<BR>
Command Duty(probably from a Shore Duty tour).<BR>
My guestimate: SOC D<BR>
<BR>
>> From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
>> >Dan Roseberry <rosebee@troi.csw.net><BR>
> >>Who were Santanocheev's "political and social<BR>
> >>connections"? the persons who had promoted him to<BR>
> >>Sector Admiral<BR>
><BR>
> >I've assumed that he was well connected to the court<BR>
> >of the Matriarch of Mora.  Mora is the sector capital,<BR>
> >so the Matriarch (who also holds the Imperial title<BR>
> >Duchess of Mora) wields a lot of power in the sector.<BR>
>Alan Bradley<alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au><BR>
>I've always assumed some kind of tie to the Tukera clan.  But Delphine<BR>
is<BR>
>good, too.<BR>
<BR>
An explanation for why the Oberlindes ship Bloodwell got destroyed?<BR>
Tukera's annoyance with Oberlindes causes them to complain to<BR>
Santanocheev to due something. Santanocheev goes overboard...<BR>
BOOM no more Bloodwell.<BR>
<BR>
Some other items...<BR>
Back to the 'political and social connections' bit. From 1103 to<BR>
1107 (maybe even earlier than that) we have lots of political<BR>
and economic unrest  in the Regina subsector. Adv1 implies that<BR>
allot of this unrest comes from 3I nobles and bureaucracy.<BR>
Naturally, there were a few other problems (Efate's civil war,<BR>
Ine Givar, Zhodani influence, etc etc) but I'm trying to<BR>
understand what the role of 3I nobles/bureaucracy had in<BR>
causing problems in the Regina area. My impression was<BR>
that Santanocheev and allies were causing most of the<BR>
problems. If Santanocheev had less of a role in those events,<BR>
then who was causing the problems? Was Norris facing<BR>
opposition from nobles and bureaucrats in his own subsector?<BR>
<BR>
From the SOC discussion above, it seems probable that<BR>
Santanocheev served a couple times as a Naval Attach.<BR>
This led me to a wild thought:  what if Santanocheev had<BR>
served as an Attache at the 3I embassy on Chronor? The<BR>
Zho's co-opt, turn, or otherwise gain control over the man<BR>
to use as an agent. If the Imperial Ambassador managed to<BR>
catch wind of the plot, the Zhodani would, of course, have<BR>
to silence her. Hmm...did'nt a ambassador get killed there?<BR>
<BR>
Another thought:  how about Santanocheev's home world<BR>
being Porozlo? It would fit the slavic name. Also, being<BR>
from their might cause Santanocheev to think that the Zhos<BR>
would never be able to fight their way into the Rhylanor<BR>
triad because "our forces are so much more powerful than<BR>
they were during the 3FW". This attitude is actually echoed<BR>
by others in various TNS bulletins concerning the ability of<BR>
SW forces reaching Rhylanor. "So let the Zho's run to my<BR>
home world. They'll be cut to pieces by our new ships and<BR>
I'll break the sieges at Efate and Jewel."--Santanocheev<BR>
<BR>
Finally, there is the inevitable Lucan/Santanocheev concept.<BR>
I didn't want to do this; it seemed a little to tidy and cheesy.<BR>
But I suppose one could connect the two. And for GT:Trav<BR>
people, Lucan and Santanocheev's son might create some<BR>
mischief. Not my IMTU; YMMV.<BR>
<BR>
Dan Roseberry(Plop101) Passengers from Hell?<BR>
Adams Family, Jetsons Family, the Three's Company trio, etc.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:15:43 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: re:  thanks to all<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Boris Cibic" <kafka47@hotmail.com><BR>
<BR>
>Glenn, I do often insert PC&NPCs which do not <BR>
>correspond to but I did not want the rules lawyers to<BR>
<BR>
>come after me with claiming that such and such <BR>
>character is invalid - -believe me it happens more <BR>
>often then you think<BR>
<BR>
Yes, even made-up characters should be ones that could<BR>
have been randomly generated.  <BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:17:07 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: RE: Sac'to? (Was Re: SF Trav game)<BR>
<BR>
I'm always in (trouble, a world of hurt, lust, etc)<BR>
<BR>
=)<BR>
<BR>
Jesse<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
[mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Evyn MacDude<BR>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 12:45 PM<BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Sac'to? (Was Re: SF Trav game)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Jesse DeGraff wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Hell, I'm in Milpitas (close enough for a road trip), and Todd's in<BR>
> Stockton.  Ya' never know!  You should come out to BayCon next Memorial<BR>
Day<BR>
> weekend.  Seems to be shaping up as a major West Coast TML get together.<BR>
<BR>
 Jesse you In?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Evyn,<BR>
The theme of the whole thing is clear. We have to be careful with wisdom. We<BR>
have to make certain we're ready for it when it comes knocking on our door.<BR>
Knowledge isn't always a blessing;<BR>
    sometimes, it's damnation.<BR>
Play Dirty: Let's All Go to the Movies!, by John Wick<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:22:18 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: RE: Gone for the holidays, and 1yr anniversary<BR>
<BR>
Outstanding!  I love it!<BR>
Jesse<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
[mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Douglas E.<BR>
Berry<BR>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 8:35 AM<BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Gone for the holidays, and 1yr anniversary<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
At 10:45 AM 12/23/1999 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>p.s.  Meant to have a TML Happy Holiday picture for everyone, but alas, I<BR>
>didn't have the time.  Think of Ditzie roasting chestnuts on an open fire<BR>
<BR>
The mental image that leaps to mind is Ditzie aiming one of FS' obscenities<BR>
at a pile of cowering chestnuts.<BR>
<BR>
Ditzie, of course, would be wearing a Santa hat.<BR>
<BR>
Jesse, Kiri and I have been thinking about doing t-shirts for the bayCon<BR>
party.. specifically, the Ditize with pistol shot.  Motto on shirt: The 2nd<BR>
Annual TML Roast K'kree Party.  Have Fun!  Or Else.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:22:10 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: RE: Sac'to? (Was Re: SF Trav game)<BR>
<BR>
Then there are those crazy people that live on the west coast and want to<BR>
hit DragonCon next year (of which I'm one!!!)<BR>
<BR>
Jesse<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
[mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of<BR>
eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 2:48 PM<BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
Subject: RE: Sac'to? (Was Re: SF Trav game)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
On 12/23/99 at 12:49 AM,  Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net> said:<BR>
<BR>
>Hell, I'm in Milpitas (close enough for a road trip), and Todd's in<BR>
>Stockton.  Ya' never know!  You should come out to BayCon next Memorial<BR>
>Day weekend.  Seems to be shaping up as a major West Coast TML get<BR>
>together.<BR>
<BR>
Tying this thread to "the US is really big" thread...it's tough for us to<BR>
all get together.  Those that are west have a problem getting east and<BR>
vise versa.  Heck those of us southeast have a problem getting to the<BR>
upper midwest.<BR>
<BR>
What we might want to do is pick out several regional cons for us<BR>
Traveller types to concentrate on?  As a suggestion BayCon on the west<BR>
coast, GenCon in the midwest, maybe DragonCon in the south and another ??<BR>
in the northeast.  That way we could be sure of having two or three good<BR>
Traveller games at a con we might be able to attend.<BR>
<BR>
What do you think?<BR>
<BR>
Eris,<BR>
    who has never been to a con, but might give it a try if he<BR>
    *knew* he'd get a good game of Traveller out of it.<BR>
<BR>
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